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#OccupyGaddis: Joyce and Influence

Over on Twitter, Roman Tsivkin noted that Gaddis “was notoriously crotchety about admitting influences.” It was denying Jame Joyce’s influence that got Gaddis his reputation for defensive denial. To give you an idea of where that reputation came from, there’s this:

I’ve about reached the end of the line on questions about what I did or didn’t read of Joyce’s 30 years ago. All I read of Ulysses was Molly Bloom at the end which was being circulated for salacious rather than literary merits; No I did not read Finnegans Wake though I think a phrase about “psychoanaloosing” one’s self from it is in The Recognitions; Yes I read some of Dubliners but don’t recall how many & remember only a story called “Counterparts”; Yes I read a play called Exiles which at the time I found highly unsuccessful; Yes I believe I read Portrait of an Artist but also think I may not have finished it; No I did not read commentary on Joyce’s work & absorb details without reading the original. I also read, & believe with a good deal more absorbtion [sic], Eliot, Dostoevski, Forster, Rolfe, Waugh, why bother to go on, anyone seeking Joyce finds Joyce even if both Joyce & the victim found the item in Shakespeare, read right past whole lines lifted bodily from Eliot & all of which will probably go on so long as Joyce remains an academic cottage industry.
(Letter to Grace Eckley, June 1975)

Is Gaddis is telling the truth here? The man doth protest too much, perhaps, and how could a serious writer of this time manage to miss Joyce? Then, too, Gaddis stands to gain by denying Joyce’s influence. As a writer “influenced” by Joyce, Gaddis would be a second-rate imitator of genius. Out of Joyce’s shadow, Gaddis can set himself up as a sui generis genius. Gaddis, we might suspect, wanted to be Joyce, not merely Joycean.

I used to be a skeptic, but when I saw a couple of fellow Gaddis occupiers talk about seeing Joyce’s influence in J R I was surprised to find myself fighting the urge to pedantically correct them on Gaddis’s behalf. This conversion happened, as best I can work out, over the last year or so as I’ve been researching the reception history of Gaddis’s novels.  Learning about that history has helped me to understand Gaddis’s frustrations and even to share them. This post, then, is about that history. It’s also, more importantly, about how much that history should matter for us now.

The Recognitions, Gaddis’s first novel, was, as Lee Konstantinou discussed last week, a monumental, colossal flop when it came out in 1955. Gaddis blamed the failure of his book largely on the failure of the reviewers to give it a fair reading. In the early 1960s, Jack Green, a Greenwich Village eccentric, self-published an exacting and fiery account of every corner cut by reviewers from cribbing from the book’s cover to plagiarizing other reviews (now collected into print as Fire the Bastards!) A whole section is devoted to cataloging all the other author’s named by various reviewers. Green felt it was laziness: easier to throw in another name than describe what Gaddis is doing, especially since the latter would mean actually reading the novel. I’ve read those reviews and I find Green’s claims pretty convincing (although his belief that newspaper reviewers should have read a 1000+ page novel at least twice is highly debatable). Joyce, in particular, comes up over and over in the reviews as a way to dismiss The Recognitions. If it’s just another knock-off Ulysses, why bother with it?

I can only imagine how crushing it would be to see your first novel (and one that took so much work to write) crash and burn because it’s supposedly derivative of something you haven’t read more than a few pages of – sales of The Recognitions were so bad that it took nearly thirty years to make back Gaddis’s advance.  This was only compounded when Gaddis started to get academic attention. The first essay published on The Recognitions in 1964 was a careful, scholarly explanation of Joyce’s influence on Gaddis. Bad enough that the reviewers use Joyce as an excuse to not read him in 1955, but then to think that his academic legacy would just be more of the same. The letter to Grace Eckley above is in response to queries for an essay about Joyce and Gaddis that she eventually published in 1977. Knowing his history with Joycean influence, that notorious crotchetiness becomes more of an understandable response and less of a character flaw.

What obligation, if any, do we have to continue Gaddis’s fight against the Joycean shadow though? For a lot of those reviewers, throwing “Joycean” in was cutting corners. However, for many it was also  a way to help their readers identify what kind of book they were dealing with. Then, too, the #OccupyGaddis folks who mentioned Joyce obviously weren’t trying to get out of really reading J R. “Influence” is one of the ways that we make sense of what we read. It places authors and texts into bigger histories and helps us to know how to read them. It’s almost certainly factually incorrect to say that Joyce “influenced” Gaddis if we think that means Gaddis copied Joyce. On the other hand, it’s undeniably valid to use your own history of reading Joyce to negotiate the difficulties of Gaddis’s prose.

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  1. June 26, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Great post.

    1. To what degree do you think Gaddis’s use of the dash for dialogue is responsible for the (surface) Joyce comparisons? I do not know the history of using dashes for dialogue, but they always stand out to me as a very Joycean thing. It is obviously superficial, but I can see how the use of the dash might immediately make people’s Joyce radar go off, rightly or wrongly.

    2. While I am going to believe Gaddis that he didn’t really read that much Joyce prior to writing “The Recognitions,” I think a total disclaimer of the influence is wrong. Rather, I think that reading just a little might have a larger influence. Reading a little and getting a taste can set off a series of sparks in the writer’s mind–ideas about what that writer could do with those techniques. Perhaps the biggest influence would be the book the writer did not read, but only heard about.

    3. Despite what similarities there maybe, however, Joyce and Gaddis strike me as essential different writers in that they are approaching their subjects from opposite directions. Though Joyce is concerned with the community and the relations between people, that is captured internally, where Gaddis works nearly entirely externally and this seems like a big difference to me.

    4. I am not an expert however and will defer to the judgement of others.

    • June 26, 2012 at 9:36 am

      I’m not sure why, but I have the impression that the dash used for dialogue may be a European thing, maybe even specifically French. It surely does seem a visual cue, though, if one that turns out to be a miscue.

      • June 26, 2012 at 9:56 am

        I think the France and Spain use this: <>. Again, I am not an expert and I have lost all of the French I once knew as a young man, so take that with a grain of salt. I did a brief Internet search for the answer and found nothing, but that says more about me than it does about the Internet.

        I think you are right. I think it seems unique to Joyce to me because when I read a European novel, it is in translation and the punctuation is conformed to American standards as well, so I miss that.

  2. June 26, 2012 at 9:59 am

    I’m not entirely comfortable with the relationship you’re drawing between “copying” and “influence.” An author who felt like he was being accused of copying another would surely bristle; but I also think that for all that writers strive for originality, it’s almost impossible to escape influence, and influence shouldn’t be considered a bad thing. To say that Wallace, for example, was influenced by Pynchon and Gaddis doesn’t diminish his importance or originality but merely locates him on a spectrum (which is kind of where you land at the end of your piece, though you seem to allow influence only as an act of interpretation and not as a component of authorship). Of course, given the context you’ve kindly provided, it seems clear enough that Gaddis did feel like his achievement was being diluted thanks to comparison with other authors, so I do begin to have a better understanding of his crotchetiness.

    I think that Joyce (and even Eliot in something like the fragmented, indistinctly voiced “The Wasteland,” so it’s curious that Gaddis embraces the Eliot connection and even complains that people didn’t seem to notice) latched onto a new way of responding to the world, and it’s that way of responding that Gaddis imbibed and respun, whether via Joyce or via others who themselves imbibed and respun. So in a way, maybe it’s a misstep to draw an explicit Joyce comparison, and we should talk instead about the mode of consciousness writing he opened up.

    A couple of other maybe important distinctions just popped into my head:

    • Joyce wrote (at least in Ulysses) largely in a mode exposing what goes on inside your head. Gaddis seems to write in a similar mode, but he applies it to the conversations that happen — or actually that mostly don’t quite happen — among people.
    • Gaddis also introduces more noise and outside influence on intercourse with the introduction of radios, televisions, and so on. So even if there’s something Joycean about the onslaught he hits us with, he brings to it a fresh perspective.

    Any of my niggling objections aside, this was a great, thought-provoking piece, and I’m grateful for the better understanding I have now of why Gaddis didn’t like the Joyce comparisons.

  3. Judd
    June 26, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    It’s not that I don’t believe that he never read Ulysses, but you have to kind of wonder, if it’s true, why the hell not?

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